並前往https://podcasts.apple.com/tw/podcast/englightenment-ep-34-%E5%BD%B1%E9%9B%86%E8%A3%A1%E7%9A%84%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E7%B3%BB-%E5%8F%AB%E5%A5%B9%E7%B3%BB%E4%B8%BB%E4%BB%BB-the-chair/id1586414657?i=1000611882316
